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		<title>Project Upstream and the *salmon &#8220;spam bots&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, last night was about the 7th time I&#8217;d been messaged by a salmon-themed screenname. The first time I was messaged, I asked if they were a bot, and got...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-960" title="Robot Fish" src="http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/Mega-Man-2-Giant-Robot-Fish-620x-300x251.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="251" />Well, last night was about the 7th time I&#8217;d been messaged by a salmon-themed screenname. The first time I was messaged, I asked if they were a bot, and got a response. However, since I have used the <a title="TrillAlice AI Plugin" href="http://www.trillian-messenger.net/en/plugin/trillalice" target="_blank">TrillAlice plugin</a> before for <a title="Trillian Instant Messenger" href="http://www.trillian.cc" target="_blank">Trillian</a>, I knew that just because it responded with simple, yet pertinent answers, doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s not a bot on the other end.</p>
<p>So, after the first time, I replied with something ridiculous, usually &#8220;I want your body&#8230;in my mouth.&#8221; and then blocked the user, and closed the window&#8230;<span id="more-194"></span></p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #cc9900;">creepysalmon:</span> Surely He hath borne our griefs and carried our sorrows.<br />
<span style="color: #cc9900;">creepysalmon:</span> who the hell art thou?<br />
<span style="color: #cc9900;">creepysalmon:</span> [[Neo]]?<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> ?<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> <span style="color: #cc9900;">creepysalmon:</span> Surely He hath borne our griefs and carried our sorrows.<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> Auto-response sent to <span style="color: #cc9900;">creepysalmon:</span> Away since 6:54PM (GMT-6)<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> <span style="color: #cc9900;">creepysalmon:</span> who the hell art thou?<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> <span style="color: #cc9900;">creepysalmon:</span> [[Neo]]?<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> you started this&#8230;who are you?<br />
<span style="color: #cc9900;">creepysalmon:</span> Looks like bots have gotten into Yahoo.<br />
<span style="color: #cc9900;">creepysalmon:</span> Ah&#8230;<br />
<span style="color: #cc9900;">creepysalmon:</span> it&#8217;s a bot.<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> yeah<br />
<span style="color: #cc9900;">creepysalmon:</span> our apologies.<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> np<br />
<span style="color: #cc9900;">creepysalmon:</span> <span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> WE verily miss you. Dost thou ever think about the good times?<br />
<span style="color: #cc9900;">creepysalmon:</span> how very droll!</p></blockquote>
<p>Until last night, when I decided to await a response&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> I may be a robot, but if you say &#8216;domo arigato&#8217; to me, I will hurt you.<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> domo arigato, beeyotch<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> I want your body&#8230;<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> in my mouth<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> huh?<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> http://[spamwebsite]/debtfree<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> only if you get in my mouth<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> you first<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> so how come you&#8217;re creating all these *salmon screennames? do people really click your links?<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> huh?<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> how much of this conversation are you actually participating in?<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> on my end, you initiated it<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> wierd<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> <span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> I may be a robot, but if you say &#8216;domo arigato&#8217; to me, I will hurt you.<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> <span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> domo arigato, beeyotch<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> <span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> I want your body&#8230;<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> <span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> &#8230;in my mouth<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> <span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> huh?<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> <span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> http://[spamwebsite]/debtfree<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> <span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> only if you get in my mouth<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> you im&#8217;d me<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> what was my first sentence?<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> was it what I just sent you?<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> thats what poped up on my screen<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> you said lets play desert bus together.<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> can you copy the chat log from the beginning few lines, and send it to me?<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> my nic isnt salmon anything .. your&#8217;s is <span style="color: #99cc00;">allergenicsalmon</span> though<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> interesting&#8230;I bet someone grabbed our screennames, and is proxying them to other people<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> my real one is &#8220;[[Neo]]&#8221;<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> <span style="color: #99cc00;">allergenicsalmon:</span> Let&#8217;s play Desert Bus together! M.R.: huh?<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> mine&#8217;s M.R.<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> hmm&#8230;this is not the first time I&#8217;ve had a salmon derivative IM me<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> talking about seeing things in the clouds, or if I liked puppy dogs<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> http://profiles.yahoo.com/liberatedsalmon<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> I wonder what ProjectU is, according to that profile<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> who knows<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> I&#8217;m investigating further&#8230;I&#8217;ll let you go since neither one of us started this conversation&#8230;maybe it&#8217;s an elaborate scheme to get people to meet people online :-p<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> hehe<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> definalty wierd<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> i&#8217;d say it was a hack attempt but i didnt get any links to click on<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> I got one from you<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> unless there&#8217;s an exploitable bug in the new yahoo IM<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> but I am not even using Yahoo Messenger<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> i usually use trillian<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> but i got yahoo messenger last week to test some web bits.<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> it has to be something inside the protocol for yahoo messenger&#8230;if I had to guess, I&#8217;d say someone set up a Jabber/XMPP that connected to the yahoo IM service, and was using fake names to initiate connections to gleamed sn&#8217;s<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> I do too&#8230;Trillian Astra<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> i wonder if it has anything to do with the yahoobox you can add to your website<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> that thought kinda makes me interested in setting one up, just to try it, and solve the question that&#8217;s floating around the internet<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> probably not&#8230;at least not on my end &#8211; I don&#8217;t do hardly anything with yahoo and this screenname<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> I have to use it for work, but that has a different acct tied to it<br />
<span style="color: #cc99ff;">liberatedsalmon:</span> well good luck!<br />
<span style="color: #cc0000;">[[Neo]]:</span> thanks</p></blockquote>
<p>After working out that neither of us started this conversation, I was able to surmise that it was either:</p>
<ul>
<li>an exploit in the Yahoo Instant Message delivery protocol, using the OpenSource Jabber/XMPP protocol, since one doesn&#8217;t have to be on another&#8217;s buddy list in order to contact them. or&#8230;</li>
<li>a non-malicious social experiment to connect people with other people on the internet.</li>
</ul>
<p>Well, my estimations and predictions weren&#8217;t too far off.</p>
<p>Last night I went searching for salmon screennames and <a href="http://profiles.yahoo.com/liberatedsalmon" target="_blank">ProjectU</a>, and came across <a href="http://twitter.com/mjlambie" target="_blank">@mjlambie</a>&#8216;s twitter page, and <a href="http://twitter.com/mjlambie/status/1117824397" target="_blank">his post</a> made in January about the liberatedsalmon screenname, and left <a href="http://twitter.com/neotsn/status/1201834879" target="_blank">a message</a>. This afternoon, I find <a href="http://twitter.com/mjlambie/status/1201957937" target="_blank">a response</a> from him mentioning <a href="http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS310US310&amp;sourceid=chrome&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=project+upstream" target="_blank">Project Upstream</a>. A couple click-arounds, and I come across a <a href="http://community.livejournal.com/themissinghat/199227.html" target="_blank">LiveJournal page</a> that describes the project, in vague detail. A couple more clicks, and you can find <a href="http://community.livejournal.com/themissinghat/tag/salmon+master" target="_blank">more</a> <a href="http://www.llamasonic.com/troutbot-mystery-solved-project-upstream" target="_blank">details</a> about it.</p>
<p>Essentially, from the comments on the LiveJournal page&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;&#8230;Project Upstream was trying to identify the open minded people who would be willing to swim against the stream and chat with the random strangers with whom they were connected.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The world honestly needs more ways to reach out and meet each other. Connecting people randomly should be an every day occurrence. I can wait to see who I get paired up with next.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;the project is to connect random people on the internet, all part of a larger project/idea called &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TheGreatHatsby" target="_blank">The Great Hatsby</a>&#8220;. Fortunately, they have included a command that you can send to stop receiving random connections to your screenname: &#8220;$optout&#8221;. Just send it to any of the spamfish and it will remove you from their list.</p>
<p>So there you have it, hope that helps get you started for finding out why you&#8217;re getting these messages from allergenicsalmon, liberatedsalmon, creepysalmon, or any other *salmon-derivative.</p>
<p><strong>Update</strong>: Since the original posting of this article, over 1.5 years ago, The Great Hatsby wikipedia page has been removed from the site. The article detailed how a similar project was done on the AOL Instant Messaging platform using trout-derivative screennames.<a href="http://twitter.com/neotsn"><img class="size-full wp-image-583  aligncenter" title="twitter.com/neotsn" src="http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/twitter-wordpress-neo12.png" alt="twitter.com/neotsn" width="350" height="125" /></a></p>

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		<description><![CDATA[So, you&#8217;ve thought about doing some gardening, but you don&#8217;t want to invest the money into doing it. How about if you could do it for less than $2, if...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, you&#8217;ve thought about doing some gardening, but you don&#8217;t want to invest the money into doing it. How about if you could do it for less than $2, if not free, using only things you already have at home? Let&#8217;s get started: <span id="more-81"></span></p>
<p><a href='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-005.jpg' title='Step 1'><img src='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-005.jpg' alt='Step 1' /></a><br />
<b>Step 1:</b> First, let&#8217;s get an egg carton. It&#8217;s better to use a styrofoam one because of the watering you&#8217;re going to have to do &#8211; to use a paper-byproduct would not be very effective.</p>
<p><a href='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-006.jpg' title='Step 2'><img src='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-006.jpg' alt='Step 2' /></a><br />
<b>Step 2:</b> Next, we&#8217;ll cut the top off the carton, as well as the tabbed flap that would normally secure the carton closed. Keep the top and bottom portions of the carton &#8211; discard the flap.</p>
<p><a href='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-007.jpg' title='Step 3'><img src='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-007.jpg' alt='Step 3' /></a><br />
<b>Step 3:</b> Then, take a thumb tack or some other small pointy device and poke 4 holes in the bottom of each cup, as above.</p>
<p><a href='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-008.jpg' title='Step 4'><img src='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-008.jpg' alt='Step 4' /></a><br />
<b>Step 4:</b> Now, we go outside and fill each cup with about an ice cream scoop&#8217;s worth of dirt. It&#8217;s recommended that if you&#8217;re planting seeds, you should use a &#8220;seedling starter&#8221; configuration of potting soil. But technically dirt is dirt &#8211; you can use anything. The starter potting soil just contains special chemicals.</p>
<p><a href='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-009.jpg' title='Step 5'><img src='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-009.jpg' alt='Step 5' /></a><br />
<b>Step 5:</b> Place the dirt-filled egg-carton bottom inside what was the lid, as shown, to create the water drip tray.</p>
<p><a href='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-010.jpg' title='Step 6'><img src='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-010.jpg' alt='Step 6' /></a><br />
<b>Step 6:</b> Find the seeds that you want to plant. Find out how they need to be planted, which is usually on the package or on the internet. In my case, I am growing vines to be planted by my front patio to provide shade and cover.</p>
<p><a href='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-011.jpg' title='Step 7'><img src='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-011.jpg' alt='Step 7' /></a><br />
<b>Step 7:</b> Plant the seeds according to instructions. My vines needed to be barely pushed edgewise into the dirt, with a small bit showing.</p>
<p><a href='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-015.jpg' title='Step 8'><img src='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-015.jpg' alt='Step 8' /></a><br />
<b>Step 8:</b> Now you can water your seedlings according to the instructions. My vines require damp soil.</p>
<p><a href='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-013.jpg' title='Step 9'><img src='http://thepizzy.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/temp-013.jpg' alt='Step 9' /></a><br />
<b>Step 9:</b> Don&#8217;t forget about the plants! Put them somewhere that you&#8217;ll see them every day to check on their progress and make sure they have enough water. When they&#8217;re big enough, according to the instructions, plant them outside.</p>
<p>Let me know how your project goes!</p>

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